Template:Awards

Discussion
'''Alright, Prime. Let's iron out the nitty gritty details of this and see if it's possible to reopen. What do you think should be the first problem we address? I'd personally like to get the voting method out of the way. P.S. Color coat your text! It's fun. :D''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Color coded. Anyways, I guess the first one would be the whole issue of vote/nomination trading. One thing I would suggest is outright stating that anyone caught doing so immediately loses their nomination/voting rights and possibly the nomination/any votes if we find the violation to be serious enough. Problem with this idea is that it would be hard to actually monitor this and while I'm in chat a lot, I can't be there always. I guess we can just ask random people outside the judges we trust (i.e. Wrath) to keep an eye out and screenshot these things. Does that sound acceptable for that issue?''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''Hmmm... sorta, but not really. That stops people from doing it in the main chat room, but that doesn't stop someone from doing it in PMs which would be the easiest and most logical method of doing it if we said it was forbidden.''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Suppose we were to ask said people to keep an eye on their own PMs in that case? Doesn't really eliminate it entirely but it helps to an extent. Plus we can confront anyone we really suspect of doing it. Also, can I start on listing criteria for voting which we can possibly use to stop this to an extent?''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''Meh, possible. :/ Voting criteria is nice, but I don't really know if that's the route to go. Simply because it eliminates a lot of potential voters, and could take the fun out of the whole thing. I guess it really depends on what the criteria are. Make a list of your ideas for the criteria please. :3 We could just possibly have two stages of nomination "free nomination stage" where anyone could nominate. And then a secondary stage where us judges decide if the nominee should be added to the ballot?''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''You have a fair point. I can just suggest a few things including'''

Requirements in the Awards
 * 1) Nominees need a minimum of 300 article edits to be considered.
 * 2) Nominators need a minimum of 300 article edits to nominate a user.
 * 3) Voters need a minimum of 300 article edits to vote for a user.

'''Similarly, I like your idea of "free nomination stage" where anyone could nominate and then a secondary stage where us judges decide if the nominee should be added to the ballot. Problem here is then the issue of voting. In said case, we can do requirement of a minimum of 300 article edits to vote for a user. I think if they have this many, to an extent, they may be the kind who are dedicated enough to respect the wiki and not go vote trading.'''

'''While I understand that we don't wanna eliminate or alienate a lot of people, I feel we also need to have some set requirements that are not easy to gain. I mean, who's to stop someone from gathering all their friends from another wiki and thus sweeping an award? Honestly, the only thing that'd prevent that would be some requirements.'''

'''Overall, I do think the final contestants for each and every award should be decided by the 5 judges. ''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''I think those requirements are fair. The only problem I see is that there are some chat-only users who won't get to vote, but I think we can afford that sacrifice.''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''I agree with everything you just said. Is there anything else you wanted to get cleared up? I also have an nice idea about award-wiki secrecy.''' User talk:Ultraprime2

I'm all ears, my good man. User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''I suggest that the 5 judges (am I to assume that it'll be us and the other 3 whom we think it should be?) each make one new account and we then make a new wiki to do all the awards, designing and decisions on it. We can also cast our votes on this wiki rather than on the main wiki so as to keep the actual winner a secret (since our votes could possibly change it) but we will reveal our votes in the award show (to prevent accusations of favoritism or too much secrecy). That way, there's basically no chance of a stalker finding out things before they happen. For massive punch, we can use our regular accounts on a secret wiki and get the stalkers riled up by behaving idiotically and calling them out if they call us out on it =P but this idea does require more effort =( SO maybe just the 5 alternate account idea?''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''Great idea. I'm all for it. :D''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Awesome. So what's the next step?''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''The next step is me going to eat lunch and watching some TV. :D After that, I'll come back and see if there's anything else I wanted to discuss with you. If not, we'll start alerting the judges (yes, you should assume its the 3 we previously mentioned) of their positions and we can start handling the finer details of the awards. The design, the categories, the wiki, etc. etc.''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Lol, have a nice lunch. I'm actually gonna go to bed so if there is a discussion I'll probably answer in the middle of the night cause I'm likely to wake up due to train noise. If there's nothing more, let me know via DA that I can make a new wiki and we can start informing those three. Once we do, I'll make a new account and make a new wiki with it and get us started.''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''I don't think I have anything new to discuss. So, if you don't either, I'll invite the other three here to comment on what we've discussed and see if they have anything to add. If not, we'll create the new wiki and get started on ironing out the details.''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Cool. I just wanna clarify what we said isn't set in stone and they can offer suggestions, right? I hope to get apprehensions out of the way. When the time comes to create the new wiki, allow me to do so with a new account. I'll DA note instructions to everyone after I do so. ''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''Nah, nothing's set in stone. Everything is free for alteration. And there won't be any apprehensions. How could there be when someone as sexy and as charming as me is involved? :D *winks at Yummy* *ignores Mega and Reli*''' User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''Lol, nothing can go wrong if Rai's involved? Sure, sounds right =P''' User talk:Ultraprime2

I agree~! User talk:Omega natsu2

'''Yeah, I read through this a little while ago :P I agree with everything stated EXCEPT the 300 mainspace edit rule. I hate to point it out, but MANY prominent users on our site don't have that number... I remember from the P&S vote - Toshi, Hungry, Rem and Bere just to name a few, not to mention newer users like Michelle, ZSlayer, Nick, Fin, Fleet etc., all of whom I'm sure would like the chance to be nominated/vote. Hence, I suggest we lower this number dramatically to 50. 50 mainspace edits is not hard to get for those who have been with us, but is still high enough to be troublesome for someone just looking to create a sock and vote - plus, we'd be able to easily see a stack of 50 mainspace edits build up quickly before the new/unknown user votes. As for the new wiki/new account idea, I like it (I'll have to make another account :/) though something like Skype *glares at Jak* TC could also work I guess... But then we'd all have to be on at the same time :/ Well, whatever...''' User talk:TheCarrotSaysYumYum
 * Good point. :P User talk:IamJakuhoRaikoben

'''I'll agree with lowering the 300 number (it was just an example anyways but I acknowledge the awards don't need as stringent requirements as admin votes do) but while 50 is a good number, Michelle, Kuro, NoNick, Fin, Fleet and several such users lack 50 mainspace edits as well. One way or another, people will have to be excluded.'''

'''Does anyone support Rai's free-nomination idea where anyone can be nominated and the judges simply decide the candidates. There'll be no restriction but if we feel someone is under-qualified or too new, we can reject said nomination. Though the question here is whether everyone should be allowed to nominate. Whether or not we do, the voting requirement of 50 can be used.'''

'''Finally, Skype would be nice but we have no way of logging anything unless I record the conversation, which means nobody but me can ever review it (unless I make a new YouTube account but that's a pain given how big an ass YouTube is these days). The alternate account and new wiki idea is just better imo.'''

'''Yeah, I was about to suggest removing any requirement for being nominated, but keep a cap for the voting stage. So... Is someone going to make the Wiki and then contact us through our Devs with its name...?? Because that's the other thing... Are we going to start this next month, or some other time??''' User talk:TheCarrotSaysYumYum

'''I'll take the liberty of doing just that. Keep an eye out for your DA notes, everyone. I'd suggest holding off on the actual "start" though till Reli shows up and gives his thoughts. On the new wiki, we'll work on things like the designs (which we'll need Reli for) and anything new.''' User talk:Ultraprime2

'''Mkay then. Make sure the Wiki has some really retarded name though :P And lol... I saw that Prime ;D''' User talk:TheCarrotSaysYumYum

'''It shall. And blame my older, less efficient laptop >_>''' User talk:Ultraprime2